Andrew ‘Boz’ Bosworth, Meta CTO and Reality Labs chief, has publicly apologized to Palmer Luckey, founder of Oculus who was ousted from the company in 2017 for political reasons.

To this day, Meta (ex-Facebook) never publicly confirmed why Luckey was fired, with CEO Mark Zuckerberg even going on record in a U.S. congressional hearing in 2018, saying Luckey’s ousting “was not because of a political view.”

It was however a political action that ostensibly gained Luckey notoriety among company leadership that led to his ousting in March 2017, only three years after Meta acquired Oculus for $2 billion.

Oculus founder Palmer Luckey on stage at Oculus Connect 2015 | Photo courtesy Oculus

“I got fired for no reason. I gave $10,000 to a pro-Trump group, and I think that’s something to do with it,” Luckey said in a 2018 Wall Street Journal interview, referencing his 2016 donation to an anti-Hillary Clinton ad campaign called ‘Nimble America’.

This has understandably left some bad blood between Luckey and Meta at large over the years, with Luckey exiting the consumer XR space entirely with the founding of his own defense technology company, Anduril Industries.

Carmack’s Regret, Boz & Luckey Showdown

Former Oculus CTO John Carmack, who left the company in 2022, reignited the smoldering flame this April in post on X, saying he regretted “not doing more to support and defend Palmer Luckey at Facebook.” According to Carmack, if former Oculus founders had united, things may have panned out differently.

“Unfortunately, FB encouraged ‘bring your whole self to work’, which meant politics was openly present, and rabble rousing was a thing,” Carmack said in a follow-up post. “I would guess that an employee referendum would have gone against Palmer, but it might have been different if there was a unified front of Oculus founders behind him.”

John Carmack at Oculus Connect 5 | Image courtesy Oculus

Additionally, Carmack said he believed Luckey’s firing was due to “hysterical internal employee pressure,” noting further he “[didn’t] think Mark Zuckerberg had a strong personal view on it.”

As a programming luminary and one of the clearest windows into Meta’s internal workings during his time there, when Carmack speaks, it tends to carry a lot of weight, which prompted current Bosworth to enter the conversational fray.

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Responding to Carmack, Bosworth called him “woefully incorrect” on his speculation of an employee referendum to oust Luckey, further stating “I am not in a position to correct [,] except to say maybe don’t speculate!”

Then, when Boz claimed he actually defended Luckey before his ousting, it didn’t sit right with the aggrieved party. Here’s Luckey’s response:

“Great story to tell now that I have dragged myself back to relevance, but you aren’t credible. You retweeted posts claiming I donated to white supremacists, and a post saying that anyone who supports Trump because they don’t like Hillary Clinton is a shitty human being. You publicly told everyone my departure had nothing to do with politics, which is absolutely insane and obviously contradicted by reams of internal communications. It is like saying the sky is green. Same goes for you telling people that I wasn’t pressured into saying anything untrue, that any mention of politics and who I was voting for was up to me. Can I post my original statement, the one that was explicitly rejected on account of saying negative things about Hillary Clinton, or is that still considered Work Product? Maybe you are lying, maybe you are just ignorant and willing to launder the lies of others about something you weren’t even around for, but don’t try to play the apolitical hero here.”

If you want to see two multi-millionaires who aren’t running for political office argue with each other, don’t miss the rest of the thread.

Boz Brokers Peace

Nearly five months since the online rift, Luckey was actually invited back to the Meta mothership for the first time since his departure in 2017, where he got a chance to not only try out the company’s Orion AR glasses prototype, but also received a face-to-face apology from Bosworth, which the Meta CTO echoed in a recent post on X.

“I’m glad you came by to check out Orion. I mentioned this in person, but I also wanted to publicly apologize for my previous comments about your time at (then) Oculus. I’m sorry,” Bosworth said. “After reading the recent Tablet piece I dug into some of the events that preceded my time when a different set of people who are no longer at the company were running the group. It turns out I was misinformed but that’s no excuse and since I wasn’t involved I should never have said anything. I’m grateful for the impact you made at the company and in developing VR overall. Looking forward to showing you more of our work in the future.”

Palmer Luckey demoing Meta Orion AR prototype | Image courtesy Palmer Luckey

“Thanks, Boz. Apology accepted,” Luckey responded. “I am infamously good at holding grudges, but Meta has changed a lot over the past 8 years. The people responsible for my ouster and internal/external smear campaign aren’t even around anymore. At some point, the Ship of Theseus has sailed.”

Luckey further stated it was “pretty surreal to be back on campus with you guys, Orion alone was well worth the trip. It is more or less exactly what I would have wanted to accomplish.”

The Tablet exposé referenced by Boz even had kind words directly from Zuckerberg, which Luckey highlights in an X post as not coming from the usual “PR flunkey”:

“I have a huge amount of respect for Palmer—both for what he’s done for VR and for now achieving the rare feat of building multiple successful companies,” Zuckerberg told Tablet in a statement this month, his first regarding Luckey in several years. “He’s an impressive free-thinker and fun to work with. I was sad when his time at Meta came to an end, but the silver lining is that his work at Anduril is going to be extremely important for our national security. I’m glad an entrepreneur of his caliber is working on these problems. I hope we can find ways to work together in the future.”

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  • ViRGiN

    That was in April. It is October now. It was today on Reddit subs, and is now front page here at r2vr?

    Pathetic. Did you run out of ideas? Then cover visor more and call it directly a scam – there has been new hands on videos from some YouTubers (not sadly bradley) which proves it's a scam. Then you have a new official video, which is several years ahead in development but that version is never demoed. I wonder why huh?

    Scott are you afraid of the word scam?

    • Ondrej

      The apology post was today,

      • ViRGiN

        Palmer himself is yet to apologize for scamming thousands of people who he sold CV1 to.

        • Ondrej

          Nice strawman, but this has nothing to do with your first post or my reply.

    • another juan

      don't know about visor enough to have an opinion yet, but i know that luckey has a personal grudge against valve (or some of its former employees) which is never mentioned in media, while his former issues with meta are mentioned at every chance.

      • ViRGiN

        Go on, I’m listening.

        • another juan

          palmer talked about it on "voices of vr" podcast maybe a year ago. i assumed you'd know it since you're so focused on that particular company

          • ViRGiN

            oh, that, i thought there was something significant that i missed.
            he hasn’t said anything shocking. gayben got butthurt that Oculus suddenly had billions on disposal to actually pull of their own VR store. Before back-then Facebook stepped in, they laughed at the idea because they are STEAM, which is self explanatory.

            Nobody talks about it, because nobody talks about negative things in VR. Unlike flat gaming, VR is all about full blown toxic positivity. Literally every single bad thing that happened in PCVR, is 100% because of Valve.

          • Martin Landau

            Anduril just got taken to task by the intercept in a recent article. Talking about a warrior class that delights in murder. My dad is buried in Arlington, no defender wants murder, how many wars has palmy jackoff fought? What a coward, changed his vote from trump to suck off zuck. Pathetic.

  • Jeff

    It's not "hysterical" to want to stamp out pro T bag politics in the work place if you're one of many "others" / minorities that get targeted and threatened by said politics. Let's not pretend that we are discussing normal right / left policies – we are talking facism and ending democracy. Turns out a lot of people are really offended by that.

    All he had to do was shut his mouth about his terrible world views and discreetly donate like most other rich a-holes, and it wouldn't have been an issue.

    • Ondrej

      All he had to do was shut his mouth

      FREE SPEECH IS A THREAT TO OUR DEMOCRACY
      — Joseph Stalin

    • gothicvillas

      You have mixed up things, democracy ending fascism is on the left with Democrats

      • shadow9d9

        The democrats are a middle/right wing party, but the off the cliff right wing party is the closer to fascism.

    • Cl

      Spoken like a true lunatic.

    • Orogogus

      Luckey never really said anything before he was ousted. He donated to a PAC that erected one relatively bland anti-Hillary billboard. And I think people dug up that his partner liked a social media post about illegal immigration. It looked very much to me, a California Democrat, like a witch hunt against anyone who dares to openly be Republican, which I guess plays well online but I think is a terrible strategy in real life. I think web warriors are practically trying to lose elections by attacking anyone who's not already in their camp, like swing voters. I think Trump would have walked the 2020 election if it hadn't been for COVID-19, and the DNC should be using all available tactics to pull some of the voters who voted Trump over to Harris. Meanwhile people online are trying to demonize (e.g., calling them fascists) every single donor and voter who's ever expressed anything in favor of Trump or his policies, and writing off every one of the 47% of voters who chose him — shrinking the tent at a time when it needs to be bigger.

      What fascist and anti-Democratic views has Luckey espoused? If it's just that he supports Trump or Cruz, then I think this is a terrible strategy that pushes people to the other side in a time when elections are routinely very close.

      • Dragon Marble

        The story you are telling is upside down. Ask Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger who is "hunting" Republicans. Listen to Trump and Harris speeches (or just watch the debate) to judge by yourself who is demonizing others, and who is reaching out to the other side. "People online" do all kinds of things. They don't represent the campaigns.

        • Orogogus

          The Harris campaign is fine. Democratic candidates generally aren't as shrill as people on Reddit and on message boards (or apparently, who used to work at Facebook). But I think those people online are doing real harm to the Democrats' chances. When I'm in a non-political setting like a games forum or a work environment, I'd rather the people on the other side acted like trolls and shrieking harpies, while mine looked normal and welcoming. "Screw you, you don't hate Trump" is just not helpful, especially when the race is this neck-and-neck. I don't work for the Harris campaign but I do want them to win.

          • Dragon Marble

            Mega donors and people with power and influence are not private citizens. If you step into the ring, expect to get punched. Those mega Trumpers tend to be the meanest and whiniest at the same time. They don't deserver your sympathy.

          • AnnoyedAnonymous

            Perhaps you need to get as many as those who attended the Butler event to the events like the Harris-Waltz Tailgate at UGA.

    • Andrew Jakobs

      Terrible world views is all in the eye of the beholder.

      • Dragon Marble

        Here's the problem. If you want to be respected, you have to respect others. If you spread fear and hate, then that's what you get in return.

      • shadow9d9

        Some just aren't.

        • Andrew Jakobs

          Nope, all views are in the eye of the beholder.

          • AnnoyedAnonymous

            Indeed. One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter.
            Oh what a tangled web.

          • Dragon Marble

            You are right. Let's agree to disagree more.

            Although I don't agree that men should grab women whenever they want, I respect your opinion and don't question your motivation.

            White supremacists aren't just protected by free speech, they are "fine people".

            We don't have to agree on who won the election either. You know what, why don't we share the White House to show true civility.

            Immigrants committing crimes are "animals". Trump supporters committing crime? They are "patriots".

            It's all in the "eyes of the beholders".

    • Sven Viking

      He tried to donate discretely—his donation was anonymous. A reporter tracked him down and ended up confirming things in an off-the-record phone call, but then when calling back for further details Luckey didn’t reconfirm the second call was still off the record and the reporter considered it OK to publish.

      • kool

        That's effed up while I'm not a trumper. Every one has their right to their own politics. Work isn't a place for politics tho, so if he was he was minding his business someone dug up his politics he should sue them for billions!

        • Sven Viking

          According to the WSJ, after initially attempting to withdraw his compensation for failing to fulfil the buyout requirement to work for them for x years (due to being fired), they basically ended up giving him ~billions in planned compensation and lost earnings in exchange for signing a thorough NDA and agreeing not to sue them.

    • Jistuce

      He was not publicly espousing his political opinions. The impetus that started this whole mess was a "news" article that was quite literally a work of fiction. And then Meta told him if he did not issue a public statement endorsing a non-republican candidate, they would fire him.
      They then made him rewrite it because he said unkind things about Mrs. Clinton while endorsing the libertarian candidate. And then they fired him anyways. Frankly, that's the kind of experience that MAKES someone a die-hard Trump supporter.

      I remain horrified that a company in America in the 21st century can force an employee to support or denounce a political candidate as a condition of employment. I will not make an exception for Trump, because exceptions set precedent, and then get expanded. America has ALREADY seen employers mandate specific votes as a condition of employment, which is why ballot secrecy is required by law today. No one, least of all an employer, has the right to tell you who to vote for.

      It is also worth remembering that, at the time, Trump had not yet said and done all the things his presidency is known for. With hindsight, it is obvious that one of the two main choices was a much worse option, but when the election happened, it looked like two pretty bad candidates instead of one pretty bad candidate and one horrifyingly bad candidate, and exit surveys had most repondants saying they weren't voting for Trump, they were voting against Clinton(and the other side of the poll saying they weren't voting for Clinton but against Trump).

  • Ondrej

    This is great!

    However, one has to wonder if this change of heart (and even praise) would actually have happened if not for the success Luckey achieved again after leaving? Or how the "current thing" opinion on morality of building weapons changed after the war started in Ukraine?

    Because similar thing happened outside of Meta. There were some influencers and journalists apologizing to him for their previous smear campaigns after the invasion happened. It's like elementary school kids learning the basics of how the world works, except they are old and educated.

    Can you imagine Zuck saying that Luckey's work on weapons is "extremely important" 3+ years ago or if the war in Ukraine never happened?
    A lot of these people care far more about being in the "current correct opinion" bag than having any principles.

    • ViRGiN

      You don't know anything about how successful Palmer is other than what he tells in media. Yeah, he lives in a big house, has many toys and ton of cash. But I'm yet to se US military adopting his toys?

      If there is any success, it's not really his success, it's his team. Palmer couldn't even write a line of code for DK1.

    • Cl

      I think it has more to do with a shift in politics. It is being revealed to normal people how crazy the left is becoming so it is slowly becoming less popular. Meta isn't the only one.

    • another juan

      it makes sense for public companies to align with the most bland, safe, and popular opinions, because their stock value is very suceptible to bad press.
      everybody holds some edgy opinions, but if you represent the interests of many, you better keep those for yourself.
      imo that's NOT politics, but good bussiness sense.

  • Good to hear that

  • Foreign Devil

    The question is. . .after all that has gone down. .. .is Lucky STILL a Trumpy??

    • Nevets

      My guess is YES. I'd love to be wrong and could happily overlook his transgressions if he has revised his views.

    • Jistuce

      He probably supports Trump more strongly, given the other side fired him for not liking Clinton. If you want to MAKE an extremist, start punishing them for political opinions.

  • Rupert Jung

    Not liking Hilary Clinton is one thing. Supporting a person like Trump instead, is another. Just fix your broken election system, this would be best for everyone.

    • Shad Daffucup

      Now that Trump has been captured by the elite, your media masters will slowly roll out the new programming. Within a few months you will be posting pro-Trump comments with not a hint of self reflection.

  • Nevets

    That country is going to destroy the planet if Trump gets in. All the bad people are arrayed behind him with plans to extract as much from the earth as they can, without regard for the rest of the world, while shitting on human rights and eradicating all common decency.

  • NicoleJsd

    After all this time this vrgin guy is still here with some incomprehensible nerd crusade. Scary at this point, I wonder what powers him

  • david vincent

    So what did Palmer think of Orion ?

  • Glad to finally see Palmer getting the apologies he deserves, whether or not their genuine it's great that he's being invited to see Oculus' XR initiatives again. Anduril is making some absolutely insane stuff, glad Palmer is still finding success outside of Meta, but he'll always be the Father of modern VR for me!

    • Shad Daffucup

      The only reason he's apologizing now is because Trump has been successfully bought out by Big Tech and so Facebook's employees have installed their new political firmware,orange_man_good.hex

  • namekuseijin

    good, now back to bring great games to VR, before AR fanbois destroy it for gimmicky AR minigames like hand Pong

  • Jeremiah Tothenations

    Hopefully what is going on in Meta is genuine, I'd love to see a redemption story! Palmer Luckey did nothing wrong and is a great asset in whatever he does.

  • Peter vasseur

    Falling on deaf ears 6 years later. Basically they all admitted they are soy boys.

  • They can bring him back, but I think his last statement still stands; VR's future hinges on developers getting excited about VR development, not more new hardware. He can't do much about that, other then to demonstrate a less politically hostile industry. (And it's been VERY HOSTILE the last decade)

    If anyone of any importance reads this: RECRUIT EXISTING IP's INTO VR!

    Beg them. Bride them. Convince them to invest the time into making Quest ports of popular games, like the space dwarf mining game Deep Rock Galactic. There's many popular games that WOULD be easy to port to VR, but the dev's don't feel it's worth their time for a smaller market. You got to MAKE it worth their time!

    If at least 100 top indie games suddenly started doing VR ports, that might be enough to tip the balance of developer interest, and would certainly gain huge user interest. Considering the billions spent already, 1 million invested here and there, in various game studios, would produce FAR larger returns at a fraction of the cost!

    It's all about the games, baby! And a bigger push into PCVR. That's been majorly neglected. The Quest 3 is the best wireless PCVR experience to date. Don't forget about it!