Walmart Product Listing May Point to Quest 2 Pricing & Storage Sizes

i think with the experience they have with quest they managed to reduce manufacturing cost and with huge quantities they can reduce cost per unit

They could but the problem is, that wouldn’t sell. You have to have a product that is good enough to sell that many units. WMR headsets didn’t sell enough to risk flooding the market with hardware that will sit on shelves.

It is the initial momentum of the Quest that enabled them to make this next step. If they keep their momentum they can further increase production.

Basically you first have to have a product that is accepted by the market before you can mass produce and go for a mass market price.

Where are you getting half a million from? It would also depend on the time frame. Anyway, Quest keeps selling out. If your product is selling out at a higher price, you can certainly risk increasing production at a lower price.

Why the WMR line failed is beside the point. You need a successful product to build on. Until you have it, price dumping will not magically make it successful. Also, you could hand out PC headsets for free, they would still require a not cheap PC to use it. A free Samsung PC headset would still be more expensive than the Quest.

Any product that generates profits is a success. So VR, not yet? lol

VR has the potential to be absolutely huge. But for that the tech needs to have less frustrations, less obstacles. And it depends on people who own VR showing it off to people who don’t.

Social distancing is poison to VR. On the other hand, staying at home is a boon to all entertainment tech.

Would have been easier without the pandemic but it can also be a chance.

I wasn’t saying it’s a success either. It’s not even very profitable (on average). But it can be huge (mass market huge) if it gets the chance to grow. I explained how the current situation both puts a brake on that growth and can be a chance.

All headsets are sold out.

Did you even see the new GPUs? $499 for a GPU that is faster than the 2080ti and a coming sell off of all the older GPUs. You realize that having a VR ready PC, which is now just a mid range PC, allows you to not just use VR but do pretty much everything better on a PC?

Then there’s the consoles but we can leave those aside. And for WMR, it’s not a product line in the traditional sense. The Reverb G2 is getting plenty of attention not because it was WMR but because it’s designed with Valve and endorsed by them. People don’t care if the older WMR weren’t successful.

I’ve talked to multiple Facebook fanboys who used half a million as their estimate of the number, and I think it was in an Upload discussion.

“ Quest sells to 7.8 billion users.”

This is literally the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. You’re living in a pointless fantasy and you really need to just stop.

That’s like saying 7.8 billion people can buy a PlayStation 5, it’s a stupid statement coming from a useless facebook fanboy that doesn’t think before he says something.

In the real world, where VR is a first world thing that is largely a luxury or a higher end work thing regardless if you’re using a facebook device or a dedicated one, a market of 200 million people is more than enough of a market for an industry that has not cracked 10 million. Every GPU on the market will be more than VR ready by the end of the year, including all new dedicated laptop GPUs. Within a few years integrated graphics will be able to run VR. PC gaming is about to get a big boost from the new GPUs but even if it doesn’t, we’re cycling into all the consoles and PCs being more than powerful enough to use VR. “Potential consumer” is a terrible metric when these people are already pre-selected for being interested tech consumers in the right age range and who would actually want it.

I’m really not a Valve fanboy. I think they should take a lower cut of VR games, I think they aren’t doing enough in VR, I actually had a mixed review of Alyx, I recommend PSVR to a lot of people, and my hating facebook has a lot less to do with console wars and more to do with both the cult like nature of the oculus community and… you know: https://time.com/5880118/myanmar-rohingya-genocide-facebook-gambia/

Gabe is a meme and PCMR both is a meme and isn’t a valve thing.

Yet gaming PCs for VRare impossible to get, as UploadVR says :P

The 835 is still sold. Only the 800/810 have been EOLd, the current line sold by Qualcomm still includes the Snapdragon 820 and 821. It is pretty safe to assume that Facebook could buy the 820 for less than the 835, which in turn will still be cheaper than the 845. The difference will be reduced over time for older chips, but it makes no sense for Qualcomm to produce an 820 and try to sell it for more then the newer SoC, as nobody would buy it. They are still producing and selling 820s, so they must be cheaper.

The price for older hardware only rises above newer hardware in the context of long-term support, i.e. the chips are manufactured even though it makes little economic so that existing product lines don’t have to be redesigned, or older hardware like existing mainboards can still be upgraded with e.g. more RAM. That may happen with 1000 years of Windows XP special support contracts or industrial embedded systems, but it doesn’t happen in smartphone technology, where older chipsets are quickly cut of from driver updates and killed.

that was for the del mar not the point reyes

still this brings up the point of which codename does the report apply to

the codename does matter, why would facebook switch the white quest’s codename from del mar to point reyes, that would mean that they chose a different prototype from the multiple devices being tested, that’s not something you do a month before mass production.

John Carmack said during one of his keynotes that the 835 Soc in the Quest actually was capable to run the display at more than 72Hz, but they couldn’t simply release a software update to enable it. They would have reapply for certification by the FCC and similar agencies because the electro-magnetic emission that the Quest was originally registered with would change. Therefore they wouldn’t enable it on current devices.

So the 90Hz isn’t necessarily an indicator for a new SoC, they might have simply enabled the feature as their software has improved and they had to apply for a new FCC certificate for the new Quest anyway.

I just did. OC 6 keynote day two, starting at 01:04:00.

“… on Quest, we got the issue that the OLED displays we got there absolutely can run 90 frames per second where we had a bake-off early on where we had the same content running at 90 and 72, and we decided to go with 72 because it was going to be too hard for most content to make 90 frames per second.

But some content could, and as we are back to remote rendering now, I’m like ‘Oh, we could do more content there, we could remote render at 90 frames per second’, again, that would be a nice little bonus relative to Rift S. But the display people told me that our FCC certification would be voided if we changed the clock rate on the display, so that’s too bad. I don’t think we are going to try to re-certify the device, but maybe future headsets we will try to crank them up.”

All this Carmack style in 45sec. So the Quest has always technically been capable of running 90Hz on the 835 with the current display, they limited it to 72Hz because although hitting 90Hz is possible, it is very difficult for software developers. They could have enabled 90Hz for cases with lower performance requirements, but would have to re-certify the Quest.

For numerous reasons I’m still very sure that the new Quest will run on the 835, and that running at 90Hz will be the result of improvements in the rendering backend and SDK, similar to the Go becoming able to decode 5K video when initially limited to 4K, which according to Qualcomm could not be improved. Fortunately Carmack didn’t listen to them.

The current Quest can run in 72Hz or 60Hz, the new Quest might simply add a 90Hz mode that developers can enable if their apps are sufficiently optimized, otherwise it will fallback to 72Hz. Technically this mode would be possible on the current Quest to, but it will never be enabled due to certification issues.

i wonder for how long Qualcomm will keep producing the 835 at some point its gonna be years old most phones dont keep using old processors